Podcast: The Surprising Impact of One Church in the Nation’s Capital (Caleb Morell)

March 31, 2025 by: Crossway

This article is part of the The Crossway Podcast series.

A Glimpse into the History of a Faithful Church

In this episode, Caleb Morell explores pivotal moments in the history of Capitol Hill Baptist Church, from enduring wars and navigating modernist controversies to facing pandemics and pastoral challenges. Through these experiences, he reveals how history remains surprisingly relevant in understanding the church’s identity and recognizing the local church as something worth dedicating your life to.

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A Light on the Hill

A Light on the Hill

Caleb Morell

This engaging Capitol Hill Baptist Church biography shares the real-life stories of ordinary people in an extraordinary place, revealing how God works through faithful church bodies. 

Topics Addressed in This Interview:

00:45 - What Can We Learn from the History of a Single Church?

Matt Tully
Caleb, thank you so much for joining me today on The Crossway Podcast.

Caleb Morell
Thanks for having me, Matt.

Matt Tully
The foundational, core theme of this new book that you’ve written is the idea that church history—even the history of a single, local congregation—holds profound lessons for Christians living today. And yet we live in a culture where often history is not valued. We’re obsessed with the new, we’re obsessed with innovation and change and the future and so the history can feel like and afterthought. And there are some people who love history and love studying history, but when it comes to thinking wisely about how to live in the world, that’s often not where we would think to go. So what is it that first got you excited and passionate and awakened this realization for you that church history in particular holds with it so much wisdom for us living today?

Caleb Morell
I’ve always loved history. Ever since I was a kid, I loved reading and reading books about history. And the only thing I loved more than history as a kid was detective novels. I just ate up detective novels—Hardy Boys, Sherlock Holmes, you name it. The thing I love about history is it is kind of like detective work. You’re discerning, you’re turning over stones, you’re learning new things, you’re putting clues together to try to learn something, to try to answer questions. Because ultimately what you’re answering is, How did things get to be the way they are today? That’s the question that history is answering. If you look around you, you see all kinds of technological developments, social developments, cultural developments, and they all come from something. And so tracing those back, and I think as a Christian in particular, what you’re tracing is the sovereign hand of God. He is sovereign over history. He is the God of history. He’s working in history, ultimately, for his glory and to build his church. And the Christian historian’s task is tracing those glimpses of God’s sovereignty in the lives of people—and in this case, in the life of a church—in a way that helps people see God’s glory on display in what he is doing.

Matt Tully
It’s such an interesting dynamic that sometimes, though, when we look at history and we have that perspective—God is sovereign, he’s orchestrating these events for his purposes—we can think that applies to history because we can kind of see how things work out, but we can forget that about our lives today and the situations and the struggles that we face today. We can almost neglect the fact that God is actually still sovereign over those things.

Caleb Morell
When it comes to history, I tell people that there’s a relationship between memory and identity. If you don’t know your past or if you’ve forgotten the past, you don’t know who you are and you don’t know where you come from. The more you know about your family history, your own personal history, the more you remember of it, the more you know who you are and where you came from. And I think as evangelicals, as Christians, the same is true for us. We need to know where we come from to know who we are. And so tracing back those steps and seeing where we come from—the good, the bad, the ugly—ultimately, just learning from that and seeing God at work.

Matt Tully
That’s a counter-cultural message today, because today the notions of identity are often rooted in my own personal feelings. Like, what do I feel right now? What do I want for myself right now? So the idea that my identity would be, in a very significant way, shaped by history, something I didn’t have control over, it can be a little bit hard to accept sometimes.

Caleb Morell
God assigns each person a time to live in, and today we’re living in the twenty-first century. Acts 17 says that God allots times, peoples, and the boundaries for them to live in. So these are the circumstances we’re born into, and we need to understand that and live faithfully. I just think if you’re not studying history, if you’re learning from it in order to face the problems of tomorrow, then you’re just missing out on collective wisdom that’s there. Because the more you look particularly at church history but history in general, you see that a lot of the problems we’re facing aren’t all that new. Christians have faced many of these challenges before. We can learn lessons in how they responded poorly and how they responded well to face the challenges of our day.

Matt Tully
One of the examples that we’re not going to get into today but one that you hit on in your book a little bit is even something like a pandemic, where churches were dealing with decisions about whether or not to meet, whether or not to obey different government mandates, and just all the nuances that came with that. That’s something that isn’t new. Actually, the church that you profile here in this book had to deal with this 100 years ago.

Caleb Morell
I remember vividly. It was maybe March 15th—I forget if the state of emergency had been called yet or not—but I was working as Mark Dever’s personal assistant at the time. He called me up and he said, “Hey, go down to our church archives and see what we did during the Spanish Flu.” And I was thinking, What’s the Spanish Flu? People were just starting to talk about this. They were just starting to remember, Oh, this has happened before. And he wanted to figure out what did our church do.

Matt Tully
That’s amazing that was one of his first instincts—I wonder what we can learn from history.

Caleb Morell
And thankfully, we have a fairly good minutes and fairly good records, so I go down to the basement, I start flipping through some old records. This is before I was even working on this as a formal project. And lo and behold, we see that we, in fact, submitted to the request of the D.C. Health Commissioner, and we didn’t meet for three weeks. Just three weeks. And then they lifted the request that churches not gather.

Matt Tully
And they had made a request for the pandemic because they had previously, earlier that same year I believe, had—

Caleb Morell
That’s right. We’ve got to set the context. It’s 1918. World War I is still going on. It hasn’t officially ended yet. Troops are abroad, there’s lots going on. So people are already in this heightened state of emergency. The expansion of government powers were obviously in Washington, D. C., and these things are happening. And earlier that year, there had been a coal shortage. They needed coal to go toward the war effort. And much to the frustration of many of the churches, among the prohibited activities during this coal shortage in January 1918 was church gatherings. They said that instead of having all the churches burn coal, let’s just have each denomination pick a church that will meet—one of each denomination in the city—and then the rest, we’re just going to ask you not to meet. I think, again, it’s a case where the churches had to figure out what to do. Was that a valid request? They understood they had a civic duty to support the war effort. They also understood that they had a spiritual responsibility, in terms of gathering for worship. They also understood that the government seemed to be toeing the line of stepping outside both the bounds of the First Amendment of the Constitution, and there were concerns there of the government overstepping the bounds. They were also stepping into the autonomy of the local church. And so churches had to think really carefully. And they thought variously about it. But one thing I’ll say is, at least at that time, the churches of the city met together and they deliberated so that they would speak with one voice. And in many ways, they had the formal authority and the relationships to gather together to deliberate, to make a decision, and to make requests as a block. And I’d say that, in many ways, we’ve lost some of those partnerships and relationships. I’m not sure we’d really be able to do the same thing. And I’m not sure even a government official would think, Okay, I’m going to speak to the churches, and I’m going to have to listen to them and respond and relate to them as a block. But that certainly contributed to their collective power is that they were able to come together, organize, and make a case.

08:05 - The Story of Celestia Ferris

Matt Tully
And we’re not going to go on too much further in that particular topic, so people can get the book if they want to learn more about that, but it’s just an illustration of the way that history can be so relevant—surprisingly relevant—to the things that we’re dealing with today in the modern world. Sometimes we think that there are new situations and new problems that we’re facing, but most often they’re not. So when we do history, we tend to focus, at least in terms of the way that we tell history at a more lay level, we tend to focus on these big history-shaping movements, these big key events, influential figures who had a big impact in some way. But in your new book, you zoom in on one particular church way down in a focused kind of way. What’s the value of doing history not just with a bird’s eye view but almost under a microscope? How do you see the balance there?

Caleb Morell
There’s value in doing the broad strokes. I think those broad strokes can leave out some voices though. They leave out the texture of church life. So if you think about most broad histories, they’ll either trace theological topics and just focus on disputes, disagreements, theological controversies. That’s one approach. That’s usually how denominational histories are done. A second approach is more the way a secular history would be written, is it traces political movements. It looks at social and political movements, and it is interested in religion insofar as it contributes to political outcomes. And so you’re going to look at this is why there’s such a focus on, say, with fundamentalism over the Scopes Monkey Trial. That’s kind of viewed, probably out of proportion, as this catalytic event, whereas I didn’t find a single reference to that, for instance, in our minutes. It doesn’t come up.

Matt Tully
Same time period, but they’re not even thinking about it.

Caleb Morell
Right. And so that can also be a way that captures some things, but it can also get things out of proportion. It reflects what we might value today and care about and want to know about; it doesn’t tell us as much about what they cared about and what they spent their time focusing on. Especially if you have a lot of minutes, if you have a lot of primary sources, if you have a lot of data, interviews, memoirs, and you’re able to reconstruct the social context in culture of a church and get a sense of what they valued and what they cared about, that might give you a more accurate sense of the texture of evangelical Christianity in America. And it’s definitely worth doing that slow, inductive work of let’s listen to them and let’s see what they have to say. And we’ll listen to them and we’ll let them tell the story. And that’s what I tried to do in this book. Rather than starting with the storylines and say, “I’m going to write about these five topics because I know people will care about them,” I started with I don’t even know what’s going to be there. I don’t know what I’ll find, but I’ll see what I find, and I’ll try to trace the storyline that is naturally emerging in the life of this church.

Matt Tully
That’s where you get that detective story dynamic to it. I wonder if sometimes the reason why more people don’t like history—or they think they don’t like history at least—is because they often are thinking in terms of those really big movements, the high-level summary that they might have gotten in high school. And actually, what we love as humans is we love stories. We love the texture. We need the texture to actually feel the things that people were feeling, understand their motivations for things so that it isn’t just decontextualized events that just happened a long time ago.

Caleb Morell
And it just brings it to life. Can I tell a couple stories from the life of the church? Will it give away too much?

Matt Tully
No, no, that’s great. There are lots of good stories in the book.

Caleb Morell
One of the stories I love telling is Celestia Ferris. Celestia Ferris has been remembered as the washer woman at the Bureau of Engraving and Printing who started the church. She called together a prayer meeting in her home. We knew that she was a widow. We just didn’t know much about her. So I just dove into the sources. I tried to find out everything I could about her. I visited other churches where she had been a member and went through their records. I reconstructed her childhood, her worldview, her experience during the Civil War as a teenager.

Matt Tully
Because the church is founded in what year?

Caleb Morell
The church was founded in 1878. She had started this prayer meeting in her home in 1867.

Matt Tully
The Civil War ended in 1858?

Caleb Morell
April 1865.

Matt Tully
And it started in 1850-something.

Caleb Morell
And so she’s growing up in this city, this war-torn city. She’s at a church where there’s a lot of controversy over the Civil War. The church splits over various responses to the Civil War. So this is just the world she’s inhabiting, growing up in the nation’s capital. She ends up marrying a Civil War veteran, Abraham Ferris, who has his own fascinating stories of close encounters during the war. And it’s in their second year of marriage that they call together a group of friends on Capitol Hill to start praying for a church. So they start praying just two years after the Civil War ended, because there was no local church in their vicinity. They thought somebody should start a church. “We’re not in full time ministry. We’re not going to be pastors, but we should just pray.” And that’s what Christians do. Christians gather together, they pray, and they ask God to work. And so that’s where Capitol Hill Baptist Church comes from; it comes from a prayer meeting. They prayed for years. They prayed for four years before anything really happened.

Matt Tully
Just meeting in their home.

Caleb Morell
Meeting in their home, praying. They started a Sunday school. They started a Sunday school. People always wonder why the Sunday school predates the church. Well, it’s because, one, that was the way to evangelize. On Sunday afternoon, they would evangelize kids in the neighborhood, share the gospel, hope that they’re converted, and reach the families through the kids. And then they bought a lot and they built a building on the same site where the church now stands. They started building and building, and it took eleven years. So from prayer meeting to church formation, eleven years. And during that time, Celestia became a widow and a single mother to three. Her husband, Abraham, died of wounds from the Civil War, ad so she was left, at 33, as a widow and a single mom. And yet she presses on. And she’s not the only one. Other people are involved, but she’s the one who got it started. And she stays. She stays at the church and serves faithfully until her death. Those are the kind of stories that I want to bring to life. Because you look at somebody like Celestia and you think there had to be seasons in her life where she’s just asking, What is the point of my life? What am I doing? Her husband dies. Her father died. She becomes the sole breadwinner for her family. And I’m sure life was hard. And yet she poured her life into her children and into her local church. And look at the fruit.

Matt Tully
And it’s also amazing that she did all that, she poured her life into this, not knowing what was going to happen necessarily.

Caleb Morell
Not knowing what was going to happen.

Matt Tully
We look back 150 years later and we can see how the Lord used that faith and used that perseverance and that prayer to do amazing things—Capitol Hill Baptist Church. But she didn’t have that perspective. So how do we keep that mindset when we don’t have the benefit of hindsight?

Caleb Morell
Faith in God. I think the right definition of success, which is not visible results. Success cannot be defined by my ability to perceive the impact of my life on the people around me. That is not a metric that is sustainable. That is not a metric that’s spiritually safe, because we can be so prone to deception. It’s also one that may not pass the test of heaven, when, as Paul says, that day will reveal the work each one has done. The work of some will be wood, hay, stubble, and burned, and the others will last. I think Celestia’s work is going to last. And I think there will be great rejoicing and joy on that day, but she didn’t necessarily live to see it. But we need the right definition of success. And we need a vision of the local church as something worth investing your life in, because God has attached his name to it, and he’s attached his promises to it. There are a lot of things in our lives that the Lord has not attached his name and promise to.

15:49 - The Story of John Compton Ball

Matt Tully
Let’s talk about another person that you tell a little bit of their story in this book, a man named John Compton Ball. He served as pastor of CHBC for over four decades, I believe, which is quite the tenure as a pastor. You point to his life and his work as a pastor as illustrating the value of this longevity that pastors can have in a local church and the impact that can have. Tell us a little bit more about him.

Caleb Morell
Sure. He’s another fascinating guy. He’s born in England in 1867. He emigrates to America as a young boy, lives in Philadelphia. He’s eventually converted, and he works in the business world. He works for a large department store called Wanamaker’s. This guy, John Wanamaker, the founder of that store was a Presbyterian layman, and he supported young men to go to seminary. And John Compton Ball was one of those young men. He comes to the church in 1903. He had studied at Crozer, when it was a very theologically conservative seminary. And part of what I point out here is the length of his pastorate, forty-one years, gave the church a critical stability and leadership during an incredibly tumultuous time—1903–1944.

Matt Tully
It’s the First World War and the Second World War.

Caleb Morell
That’s exactly right. The Spanish Flu, the fundamentalist-modernist controversy, the Great Depression. And that was a huge blessing to the church. And I think particularly that they didn’t have to pick a new pastor, who would have likely been trained at an institution that taught theological modernism in a way that undermined the trust in Scripture. Had they had to call a younger minister during that time, there’s a strong likelihood that he would be somewhat compromised in his theology. But I think in 1944, that allowed them to just kind of wait it out, so people could see the outcome of where those different movements were going.

Matt Tully
And what was it that led him, ultimately, to step down?

Caleb Morell
You’ve got to read the book to get the full story, but he was quite old at the time. He probably should have retired sooner. He preached the Bible faithfully, but it was one of those situations where it was time.

Matt Tully
And that’s the other half of it. Longevity is a value to pursue, but sometimes the transition portion—transitioning out of pastoral ministry and leadership role like that—can be really hard for guys.

Caleb Morell
Yeah, absolutely. And what ended up happening is the pulpit committee, well, first, just to set this up a little bit, he made sure the church voted that he would retain three quarters of his salary and retain the title Senior Pastor Emeritus after retiring. So that was a sweet deal.

Matt Tully
Interesting. A little built-in parachute.

Caleb Morell
He lived across the street. So the pulpit committee comes, and they nominate a guy named Ralph Walker from Portland, Oregon. And at the members meeting, when the pulpit committee presents this new candidate to succeed the forty-one year ministry of this very established and well-known figure, a long-time Sunday school teacher named Agnes Schenkel raises her hand at the meeting and says, “I’ve heard considerable reports about this man, that he’s compromising in matters related to the fundamentalist-modernist controversy.” She’s saying he’s a man in the middle. He’s not clearly one way or the other. And that concerned her. And someone else spoke up and said, “I’ve heard the same thing.” The pulpit committee retracts their nomination, and the motion comes from the floor to call another pastor who had candidated, a guy named K. Owen White, who is a noted conservative. There was no question about where he stood. He stood on the inerrancy and authority of Scripture. So they call K. Owen White because of a motion from the floor against the pulpit committee, and that is Congregationalism in action.

Matt Tully
That’s another theme that you draw out, that Congregationalism can help to protect the gospel, protect a church from compromise, in some ways, when the congregation is empowered to have a voice in these decisions.

Caleb Morell
You don’t want to pull that emergency brake all the time, but you want that to be there just in case. And in this case, that was the right call. So K. Owen White, some listeners may know, goes on to be president of the Southern Baptist Convention. He preaches the famous “Death in the Pot” sermon about the liberalism that’s happening at the seminaries that calls the conservative resurgence into being. So he was definitely the right man for the moment. And I tell people this may have been the most consequential moment in the life of Capitol Hill Baptist Church. And I think that was the turning point, in terms of so many of these urban city center historic churches, somewhere in the twentieth century, lost their aim. And I think if we had called Ralph Walker, there’s a good chance we would’ve just started going on that slippery slope toward liberalism. And that was the turning point. Right there. And it started with Agnes Schenkel.

Matt Tully
I know one response from a non-Congregationalist person could be that just as often as a congregation like that might protect a church from compromise, they could also draw a church towards that kind of compromise, towards that loss of fidelity to the gospel. What would be your response to that?

Caleb Morell
Yes, but that’s why we don’t baptize babies, Matt. That’s why we’re a believer’s church. No offense to my Presbyterian brothers.

Matt Tully
So church discipline is so important?

Caleb Morell
Well, no, you’re right. It’s not just one thing and not the others. You don’t want to put too much weight on one single factor. Obviously, the gospel is paramount. Obviously, the preaching of the word. Clearly, John Compton Ball, for any problems he had, preached the Bible faithfully enough that the congregation themselves were able to discern which direction they needed to go. So the preaching of the word is paramount. There are other factors like the health of the church, good leadership. But in that instance, that wasn’t the only time the congregation had to step in. There was an earlier instance when the church went through a split in the 1880s, and again, the congregation stepped in. But on the whole, I’d say in the life of the Capitol Baptist Church, when those moments have happened, the congregation’s gotten the decision right.

21:28 - Wrestling with the Gray Areas of History

Matt Tully
The story of Ball and his relatively faithful pastoral ministry for forty years that then maybe ended in a slightly more complex way, where he’s struggling to let go in some ways, it illustrates another dynamic of history that can be both quite interesting and fascinating to think about but also challenging sometimes for us. Just the complexity and the grayness at times of certain figures and things that happen, where we can see a lot of good that he did, perhaps. We can see the benefit to the church that he was for all those decades. And yet we can also see that there were things about his ministry, things about his decisions that we don’t love so much. How have you wrestled with the grayness at times with some of these people?

Caleb Morell
You want to view people not just as black and white characters but as complex characters with complex motivations. In history you don’t always know why people are acting the way they’re acting, so you want to complexify. And I think the book leaves plenty of riddles unresolved in some ways. Even if you take the same guy, John Compton Ball, he was very comfortable having a woman in the pulpit preaching in the 1920s and 30s. There was at least one evangelist, Amy Lee Stockton, who would regularly stop by the church and preach on Sunday mornings in the 1930s. And this is in a conservative church. This is an inerrantist church. And that didn’t happen from 1944 on. What do you do with that? How do you make sense of that? These are some of the things you wouldn’t really expect to find in church history until you really start digging around.

Matt Tully
It always tends to blow up the simple categories and the simplistic narratives that we often have when it comes to history. It’s usually not that clean.

Caleb Morell
Yeah.

Matt Tully
One more story that you can maybe tell us here, Harry Killbride. What was his story? Why was he a significant person in the history of Capitol Hill?

Caleb Morell
Yeah, Matt, this was the hardest chapter to write by far. It’s definitely what took the most time in painstaking research, because I went into it knowing that Harry disqualified himself and that he was Mark’s predecessor in ministry here. He was the pastor here for three or four years before Mark Dever came here. And I knew it would be sensitive for all those reasons—sensitive toward the other party involved, sensitive toward him and his family, sensitive toward our church and members there who were still hurting from the event. And I tried to go into it with an open mind, without prejudgment or preconception, and just follow the evidence and where it led. I did dozens and dozens of interviews. And I think what it left me with was a very gifted man who had incredible credentials, presented himself as a disciple of Martyn Lloyd Jones, came from the United Kingdom, had pastored prominent churches, and yet who seemed to leave a wake of carnage in his wake. I tried to interview him before he passed, and he wasn’t able to meet. He was very sick. And it’s heavy to listen to sermons from someone and you can read their books and say there’s so much good here, there’s so much correct grasp of things theologically, and yet we’re left with this life that does not reflect the qualifications for an elder or what the New Testament commands the Christian life to look like.

Matt Tully
That’s a challenge and a struggle that I’m sure all of us, to some extent, we’ve either heard of stories or we’ve even been directly impacted by examples like that of those in ministry—prominent positions of leadership and authority and influence—who, in some way, fall short of the calling that God has called them to. And then we’re left wondering, What do I do with the things that they said and the things that they wrote or did that I think God used powerfully in my own life? In your conversations with people, how have they wrestled with that difficult dynamic?

Caleb Morell
I think variously. It’s important to remember that these aren’t new things. If you look at your New Testament, Judas was one of the twelve. You see that Paul talks about Philetus and Hymenaeus and others who have left the faith. Demas, at great pain. And you’re also given instructions in the New Testament for what to do when an elder disqualifies themselves. First Timothy says to rebuke them in the presence of all so that they may stand in fear. And I think a sober mindedness about sin, a warning against self-deception, and a concern to watch one’s own life and doctrine was one of the most consistent takeaways from people I interviewed as they reflected on it. Just the need for the minister’s self-watch. I’ve really wrestled with this chapter with how much to tell. And some people thought it’s not appropriate to spend time exposing sin in the ministry, or that doing so will be confusing and challenging to Christians, or it’s better just to live and let live. I tried to write about it in a way that was both accurate in bringing it to the light and yet not unnecessarily groveling in the details of things. But I think it is important in the life of a church to tell the truth, when there’s an opportunity to do so. Not for the sake of destruction—this happened in this church, we need to burn it down. But saying like, no, this can happen in any church. And actually, I think the way the church responded on the whole was good, and I think there’s some lessons to learn from there.

Matt Tully
Because that can be the response of some Christians when there is some kind of scandal, for lack of a better word, in a church. The temptation can be, “Let’s just not talk about it. Let’s just move on. Let’s deal with it quietly and move on.” What’s your response to that? How do you think about that? Especially as someone doing history and looking back, how do you respond to the fear that in dredging up things like this and talking about the failures of a church or of a Christian, you’re questioning or you’re harming the church’s witness to a watching world?

Caleb Morell
It’s amazing that Psalm 51 is in the Bible, especially with the superscript to the choir master: “A Psalm of David, when Nathan the prophet went to him after he had gone into Bathsheba.” So that’s in the inspired word of God, superscript and all. And I think David was willing for his life to be on display because as a leader, he was responsible for what had happened, and that’s there in Scripture for a reason, so that we, as 1 Corinthians 10:12 says, should take heed lest we fall. You think of Paul and his life on display: persecutor, blasphemer, insolent opponent. What’s the point of that? Well, it’s so that we could see his his repentance. We could see how his life changed after an encounter with Christ. Do you think of Peter denying Christ three times? Greatly he had sinned, and greatly he repented.

27:55 - Behind the Scenes of the Writing Process

Matt Tully
Caleb, any other fun or funny stories from your research of this church that come to mind?

Caleb Morell
What didn’t come through in the book but what we can talk about is the process of writing, because this was a very non-straightforward book. But the detective-like work of finding sources, finding people to interview is just absurd.

Matt Tully
Not the most efficient, straight forward, linear process.

Caleb Morell
No, but I would do things like this. So take John Compton Ball. I’m thinking we don’t have any of his sermons in our archives. This man preached here for forty years. He must have left a deposit. Where is it? Who has it? No one knows. Probably with the family. Okay, well he had a daughter. Okay, well not actually his daughter, an adopted daughter, but, okay, daughter. Is anyone alive? Are any descendants alive? She’s not alive. So going through newspaper records, looking at marriages, looking at obituaries. Obituaries are where you find all the family members.

Matt Tully
Yeah, they list out all the family members.

Caleb Morell
So I’m able to go through and I’m able to find a name of somebody who owned a company. So I call the company. I say, “Do you know so and so?” “Oh, yeah! His daughter still works here.” “Can I speak with her?” So just finding a human being and someone we could speak to. It turns out that there are family members who’ve kept everything. So I drive over to their home in an hour and twenty minutes, I set up an appointment to go meet with them, and we sit down, and they open up this chest of sermons, clippings, photographs, everything. Just a treasure store. And we’re looking it all over, and then she turns to me at one point and she says, “So is grandpa’s church still there? Does it still exist?” She has no idea.

Matt Tully
Wow.

Caleb Morell
And so just getting to share with her, “Oh, you have no idea.” She appreciates it for sentimental family reasons, but so many people appreciate it for kingdom reasons. And so to get to share with her some of the joy and impact that her grandfather had on countless hundreds, if not thousands, because he was part of keeping the church going. That was maybe the greatest joy. And I had that experience several different times, tracking down family members, collecting documents, that just added a real texture to the experience of writing the story.

Matt Tully
Yeah, absolutely. Caleb, thank you so much for taking the time to write this book, to do this research and give each of us just a glimpse into one church of God’s sovereign orchestrating of just one congregation and the incredible impact that’s had on so many people, as you just said. We appreciate it.

Caleb Morell
Thank you, Matt.

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